WHO SPOIL OUR FEILD ( Aircraft Maintenance Engineering)?
AS YOU KNOW AFTER FINISHING COURSE WE
HAVE TO WORK UNPAID OR WE GET VRY LITTLE AMOUNT OF SALARY? AS IN
OTHER FEILD EVEN STIPEND IS VRY MUCH HIGER THEN OUR STARTING SALARY
THEN WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS??
HERE ARE FEW COMMENTS RECEIVED TO THIS QUESTION ON AMEVOICE ORKUT COMMUNITY--
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OUR SENIORS-THEY WERE READY TO WORK
UNPAID.
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GOVERNMENT OF
INDIA
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AME SCHOOLS
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GOVT & PRIVATE
AIRLINES(ORGANISATION)
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DGCA
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PLEASE WRITE YOUR
COMMENTS
HERE ARE FEW COMMENTS RECEIVED TO THIS QUESTION ON AMEVOICE ORKUT COMMUNITY--
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Aviation field is
corrupted by Air force people because......they just entering
into aviation and showing blady experience,and that's a great
effect to young guns in the interviews............
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This is all due to bloody
increase in the fuel surcharges.aviation ministry is trying to
remove the suppliers from between so that charges could reduce
to 10% but government is not agreeing with it.hope that fuel
rate stabilizes as soon as possible.
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I think its the utmost
fault of the f.....g policies of dgca. they are issuing new
approvals for institutes inspite of knowing the present
scenario,, then something ius there for govt. of india,,
i just dont understand y the damm hell they cant see the present situtation for ame field..
i just wanna ask ,, where wud they (ame trainees) go to earn their livings. shud they start to move their technical minds towards the hell of CRIME. shud we hold guns to earn our livings. ????? can anyone answer and if not ,, just ask us,, we have an ultimate solution:-
1. first of all , recognise our certificates as graduate degree.
2. restrict sorry ban the entry of air force personel in civil aviation..
thats it!!!
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I think its our
Institutes who show us the false glamour in the field before
admissions, and later only we come to know that nothing happens
in this field without 'JUGAAD'.
Institutes should be more responsible and atleast give proper placements or help us to get Apprenticeship.
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All ur opinion is gud,but
1 more factor,aviation minister or dgca should stop taking all
other diploma holders or gets into this field.otherwise wats
the use of ame course.
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Government of india
doesnt have any controll over airforce people.. those ppl dont
have any exprience on aircrfts.... but still they show 18 to 20
yrs exp.. n get the job...
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Organisations are
hesitating in taking trainees in unpaid condition
itself...entering this field is now a days very
difficult...they should seriously think about this matter and
there should be proper guidelines set by
govnt..
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If they really have
jobs...then these ppl give it to airforce ppl....
evry time they give a add for vacancy...thay ask for a min 5 yrs experience...
are yaar agar yahi log hume nahi lenge to...experience kya hu jaise freshers....hawa se laenge....???
and these days....as per i have heard....yaha par bhi..i mean airlines me bhi...u need a source to get a job...evry thing just ....is the opposite here ....
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ITS DGCA BCOZ EVERY YEAR
DEY R GIVING APPROVAL 2 NEW INSTITUTES WHICH IS NT GOOD BCOZ
ALREADY SO MANY INSTITUTES IN INDIA & EVRY YEAR NO OF
STUDENTS PASSING FRM THESE INSTITUTES MUCH MORE THEN D
REQUIRENT FROM AVIATION FEILD. & SECOND THING EVERY SESSION
SO MANY STUDENTS R CLEARING DGCA EXAMS JUS BY READING OLD
QUESTIONS MEANS DGCA PAPER PATTERN IS SO DWN LEVEL.... EVERY
ONE CAN PASS IF THEY CAN READ OLD QUESTION PAPERS. .
PLEASE COMMENT FRIENDS----- LET'S RAISE OUR VOICE
33 Comments
You raised a very nice question that who spoiled this field?
there are so many reasons behind this, DGCA, AME schools, Govt of India, etc,,,
But this is not the question to be asked; we should think for the solution...
Inshaallah I will write in deep afterwards as I have to go to my workplace Thank you.................
you have put up a very right discussion in forum,Now the times have gone to blame on spreading mud over other shirts, it is the time to react. I think we should bring this discussion in front of government and industry, i am sure they can help us.
As we all know that AME schools are conducting admissions like anything which will ultimately increase the unemployment level in this sector, so we have to think of ways to overcome with problem. I request all of you to share your comment.
Waiting for your inputrs and suggestions.
Abhinav
or we can direct send this link to our friends to comment on this blog.
Even i agree with abhinav bhalla AME schools increases the most unemployment then anything else.( Direct blame to DGCA for giving approvals to New AME Schools every year)
i worked 15month unpaid aprnticeship after that i was out of field for 8months.
due to its a bad time for those student who ever pass out from college u know why !!!every one one know about this it is called "MANDI KA DAUR JB JOB KISI BHI SECTOR ME MILNA MUSKIL HI NHI NAMUMKIN HAI"ad we r related to aviation field than tell me now GOD also can't help us so chill maro or must join any course for ur future
but we should think of this issue as we have spent our precious time and money on that course. atleast we should think of ...
pls give your input on how to improve
Reason- that time was also lack of chance as today. Only two airlines in pvt sector JET and SAHARA.
and as u know for appearing in HA and JE, experince must be 12 or 18 months.
that time,our collage was approved for LA and PE
that's why we worked unpaid for appearing in HA and JE experince.
i think,u know,that unpaid job was also taken after merathon troubles
Now to problem- no one is juniors and seniors after passing out our collages.only respect as per human being.
If u blaming to seniors, how it possible to unite all.
After all, u r also a seniors of juniors cader.
" all political leader is unite regading salary,fund.."
Ever u heared, any bill dropped in houses of salary,fund..of leader.
so be unite, try to unite ,never bleming ourselves.
kindly request ,#1 point should be out from this matter.
Now to solution- we were also taken such type of actions. u think,that time was no internat,no mobile..
let us come to points-
" RAISE THIS QUESTION IN HOUSES,IN PRESENCE OF MIN. OF CIVIL AVITION"
but never think,
"Itna jugar se to apna kam ban jaye ga"
ALWAY FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHT's
ok, thats all
Reading all the comments above, i felt like giving my comments.
Who spoiled the filed. i.ie. AME. unfortunately i feel that the filed is spoiled by the people yourself. That is AME's and Technicians only.
How????
There was not such a demand for AME when there was SAHARA, JET and other private airlines. AME's were given reasonable salary in the filed.
However, when there is an opportunity in GULF all the Technicians and AME's leave just in need of money.
When they come back from GULF they need more salary which will spoil intake of few technicians. So the concept of less payment for Technicians is that, they will earn handsome amount of money one day.
When people become AME they think they are genious. The respect given to others in the field is less. Where as in other countries our AME's are called one "Mechanics".
We should not forget that AME is not a diploma or a degree. So there is no Job for so called AME students other than aviation.
It is our responsibility that we respect what we study and make sure that others respect us only based on the work.
Remember the so called "Seniors" and other Airline staff are also from this background and they also will be well aware of the situation.
There is no harm in working for less amount of salary or even unpaid when you cannot look for opportunity in a IT filed or any other field which has numerous vaccancies.
Airforce people are much skilled that the Technicians and even AME's. But the think that differenciate in civil aviation is licence. These people will never get licence and will remain as technician only. Thats the reason they are given preference. AME technician job will never be a perfect finish as a personnel from Airforce.
AME diploma people have always a feeling that we are only technical people and knew about the aircraft. Other people are just fools. This mentality should change. Work like a normal person, there are plenty of opportunities other than line maintenance in aviation.
At the time of admissions and consultation the college officials will rise the hope of the student up to heaven. Those officials will make the student think that this course is better that any other course and is of world class standard. Still aircraft or an air journey is in the dream of many. This makes it more attractive because all human beings have an internal drive to explore the unknown.
I know an official from a famous organisation who told to students, when they came for admissions that he is a British airways AME and came here to publicise this course and make others aware about this. He is earning 5Lakhs plus salary every month. Later when the student joined and get accustomed with the college he found that that person don’t even have a second paper.This is just an example.
Always in the aviation history of India it was a cool, beautiful and lucrative field for those who are standing outside the field. For Insiders except very few it is a story of hard work, agony ,mental and physical strain.
SO MY POINT IS THE AVIATION WAS JUST LIKE THIS AND STILL SAME..NOBODY SPOILED.
AME UNION
The biggest problem we are facing is that we are totally scattered and WE DO NOT HAVE A UNION. So nobody will listen to our words. We don’t even know each other. We need a union and we need representatives in the DGCA. The AME schools will never allow us to do that because that may ill effect them at a later stage because they themselves are in short of facilities. We need to project this matter in front of public and public attention need to be brought into this matter.
Once if we have representatives in the DGCA we can deman for at least minimum things like
1) Where ever there is an opening in the an airline /aviation company they should advertise the vacancy with all details. No back door entry. There more preference should be given to or it should be exclusively made for those who undergone 3 year AME training.
2) When ever there is a complaint against a college DGCA officials should visit with student representatives and their opinion also should be considered.
3) Fees for the course should be scrutinised and regularised.
4) Minimum wages should be assured for persons with BAMEL. The length of period one should remain unpaid should be defined after that he must be paid. The minimum wages of a person with BAMEL and relevant experience in particular type of aircraft need to be fixed. Some regulations regarding manufactures course also should be defined.
5)New approvals to colleges and continued approvals to existing colleges for fresh intakes should be restricted as there is already a surplus number of students waiting for job. After AME course the student will not get job in any field other than aviation is the reason for requirement of this regulation. ( How may of the existing colleges have facilities as in CAR, leave facilities just think about instructors. How many of them are actually having relevant subject knowledge and experience about what they are teaching. You may say that DGCA officials will not compromise on standards, but I can assure you I can show you many colleges without facilities. There should be some rule by which the official will be prosecuted in case of lack of facilities in a school certified by him.)
6) Minimum number of technical staff for every aircraft in each base should be defined and it should be regularly monitored. This itself will solve our problems.
There are many more requirements need to be raised by us.
Let us try for an AME UNION
Remember UNITY IS STRENGTH.
SENIORS AND GOVT. OF INDIA
We cannot blame our seniors because they worked for free because nobody was ready to pay them. They had no experience. Any fresh passed out don’t know what to do or how to do a job. So he need to be trained. Until the training is over he stayed unpaid. Later the company found that they will get free labour. So they removed him after giving a certificate and recruited new fresher. There is no law preventing a business man from this. He will be targeting the profit. In order to maximise the profit he is still using this strategy. Still if I am not ready to work for less payment 100 others will be ready. This competition is the reason for fewer payments.
When the number of student availability is less and strict labour laws are enforced regarding the number of man at work and qualifications salary problems can be overcame.
DGCA
To certain extent DGCA is responsible for this crisis. They keep on giving approvals to new colleges and batches, new BAMELS and, new colleges. This should be controlled and the quality of student passing out from a college needs some improvement.
Many of the DGCA officials are favouring the private airlines and colleges to maximise their profit. Nobody will protest against this. Because those who are directly effected by this do not have a general body. They are scattered.
For all other fields except aviation those who have studied for 3 years, There are laws to enforce minimum wages. Those who have completed certain months of apprenticeship, There are laws to make him permanent and many laws like that.
CONSIDERING ALL THIS AND THINKING ABOUT OF THE FUTUTE OF MANY WHO GOT ATTRACTED TO THE COURSE AND AVIATION MY APPEAL TO YOU ALL IS RAISE POUR VOICE AGANIST THROUGH ALL MEDIAS ,NET,NEWS PAPER,CHANNELS ETC.DO NOT THINK THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WILL DO THAT,THAT IS NOT MY JOB,I HAVE SOME ONE TO RECOMEND AND I AM SAFE LIKE THAT.At least post this into one other website.
Thank you all.
Mail your comments to rex2alex@yahoo.co.in
Views from the members of AME voice are very informative & a feedback regarding the aircraft maint industry is quite appreciating . Presently our AME Schools courses & curriculum has a very wide gap between what actually is taught there and the work place . The ground realities are far away from what is projected to the students during the course.
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always think hard work as asset and keep your morale high, the education is not only for earn money I do accept its quiet important to have a better financial background. If we are heroes of our own life then in climax we will rock.
ALL THE BEST
is that any solution for ame's who are in such a phase ?
answer is yes !!!!!!!!!!!!
that is if dgca recognize it equivalent to degree !!
now how it is done so?
we have to make our union and call for all ames throughout the country to protest against this,a rally or march toward the parliament or ministry of civil avation office to get our rights!! and raise our voice !!
we have to be in unity!!
as we get it to be recognized as degree the other field is open for us to fly.!!
Everyone thinks, If we can pass all papers and score good grades we can get nice paying jobs. Wake up guy's, there are some things to be considered first.
1) Do you have a great Financial background? Then you can enter this field through some means, because, This is India, the world's no.1 Corrupted country.
2) Do you have political background? consider yourself in, because, All our airworthiness officers are puppets in the hands of our Super heroes(Political Leaders).
So, what has caused us to go for either of the above options, but not Hard work? The answer is, those old stupids from airforce have ruined the field to it's root. They work for low salaries, and have got the thing called 'Experience', which all the Airlines want today.
It has reached beyond limits, We have to raise our voices in unity against DGCA and bring pressure on it, so in turn it can pressure the Government of India, Then alone can we all can survive. This is not the time to regret why we entered this field without second thoughts. Because we all love Aircrafts, it's been our passion since we were small children. So guy's, first step in taking back what truly ours is, Stand United.
That's what i think.
OR ELSE ALL THE TIME ,MONEY AND HARD LABOUR OF CLEARING THE PAPERS IS NOTHING BUT A BIG BIG JOKE,,,,FACE IT,,,!!!
I would like to share my feeling on the point no.1 mentioned as "Aviation field is corrupted by Air force people because......they just entering into aviation and showing blady experience,and that's a great effect to young guns in the interviews............"
Due to their old gun actions only you are comfortably chatting on net and commenting. Instead of commenting the Air force personnel, find out why they are getting selected by the management. No one can block somebody's way. I feel there is some stuff and snag (knowledge & discipline) in their baldy head.
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